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My response to Levi Henry.

Posted by Cody Heitschmidt --Went Live: Wednesday, June 10, 2009

Then Levi (I think its actually him, but no way to verify) commented on that post. (The one in the first link there)

So... this is my best response. (Just so you know this response is no where near worth $225.00 an hour)

Levi,

I don't want to argue with you. I surely don't want to pay you to argue with you. I will discuss it with you as long as you want to.

Noble of you to claim to turn the other cheek and not argue unless there is $$$ involved, but you did post some links to kep the discussion flowing, so I will address them.

Let me first state this, I have always thought that any cop committing any crime should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

So the 3 links are all to news about Police Officers:


It's about a cop accused of shooting 2 brothers. I know absolutely nothing about the case other than what I read. If he did it... throw the book at him. It won't make me make a rash generalized judgement of all police officers in the world.


This one is about a Sherriff resigning amid an investigation that he used drug money seized in a drug bust to pay a deputy for overtime and buy a new patrol car. Allegedly He used improper procedures to allocate the money. Again, no mention of a conviction. And really... I guess I would rather he use drug money for legit expenses than tax dollars. But... if he did something wrong (He wasn't convicted according to the article that Levi submitted) throw the book at him. Even this potential travesty of justice won't make me hate all cops. I will keep judging them individually.


Now we are getting somewhere. This one is about a Sheriff that was convicted of theft and perjury. He's not a cop anymore. Throw the book at him. Treat him like a convicted criminal, he is. Even this guy though, won't make me hate cops or even pre-judge them before I have a chance to make a decision about them as a individual.

Fourth link here (this ones mine, Levi didnt supply it)

Its a whole CBS news story dedicated to firefighters who set fires. In two of the examples the fires lead to other firefighters dying. It doesn't make me hate all firefighters. I love firefighters. I love the fact the everyday the go to work willing to risk their lives to save mine and my family and friends (same reason I love cops). I won't make snap judgements about them as a group because of what a small group of of assholes (that happend to be employed as firefighters) have done.


Its a forum on a fire fighter website. Condemning firefighters who set fires. It doesn't say anywhere we should judge all firefighters for the actions of a few jerks.


Its the wikipedia page for the Earth Liberation Front. They are an Environmentalist group that has set loads of fires and caused millions of dollars in damage all over the USA. I don't judge all environmentalist as arsonists. Should I?


All white guys rap? Nope... I have no rhythym.

Levi,

My point, as it was back on twitter before you blocked me, is that while you are obviously a successful Progressive in every sense of the word. This mindset of judging all Police Officers based on the actions of few is not very progressive in my opinion. With your knowledge of the Constitution and Bill of Rights I am sure you will at least agree I am entitled to that opinion.

No need for a contract. I can't afford you.

Thanks Ole Buddy.
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8 comments to read/post yours:

  1. I'm not exactly clear on what he said that got this going in the first place. "All cops are evil?" or something like that?

    Can you elaborate?
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  2. Here is what was said: "There's no reason to treat firefighters like crap. They don't violate constitutional rights & save lives. #notcops". Mr. Heitschmidt interpreted that to mean statement to mean all cops were bad. I don't think that's what that statement meant; rather, there's a reason not to trust the police when they are at your home, but firefighters, on the other hand, are fairly innocuous--there to save your property and life without threat. In order to make his point, however, Mr. Heitschmidt made references to the Holocaust, e.g., being suspicious of police officers was a cause of the Holocaust. In fact, as we all know, the lack of suspicion and action against corrupt state actors is precisely what caused the Holocaust, in addition rampant antisemitism.

    So, Mr. Heitschidt has gone overboard over a single, innocuous Tweet by a person that didn't even follow him. I will debate my friends all day about the merits of my opinions; @CodyKS was not my friend.

    Quickly, let me share some kind words of support I've received in the last few days:

    "codyks is a total dipshit. That is all. He's practically incoherent and works for a shitty web design co in Hutch."

    "It's guys like this who don't seem to actually understand prejudice beyond the academic definition."

    "I probably wouldn't have commented at all on his little 'prejudice' diatribe. I admire you standing up for yourself."

    Just a little smattering.

    On with the Flamewar:

    Levi
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  3. Levi,

    your'e a good arguer.

    Please don't bill me.

    You're exactly right on what you said, but then you kinda lied a little bit.

    I didn't interpret anything I asked you what you meant. I didn't make any assumptions or intepretations, right?

    I never once said that "being suspicious of police officers was a cause of the Holocaust" (Lie #2). I did say that making decisions and judgements about groups of people and lumping them all together has lead to some atrocities in history. Prejudice for a number of reasons is one of the largest mistakes we could ever learn from.

    I know we don't know each other, I sincerely wish we did cause you would have known how sincere I was in being sincere.

    The personal attacks maybe wouldn't have been put on my blog and we coulda just discussed this.

    I am truly sorry for that.

    Sorry for starting the whole discussion.

    I am done... you win.
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  4. Levi-

    So you didn't want to get into a discussion with a non-friend. Fair enough. But then you did. And when you did, you didn't do yourself any favors. You came off as a jerk.

    There is maybe a discussion to be had here. Cody's family has a long history of being in law enforcement, and he is rightfully sensitive towards issues involving cops. He engaged you in a debate, and certainly in a respectful way. You came back with anonymous personal attacks.

    Speaking of those. I was talking to someone who said:

    "Levi Henry is a douchebag".

    Hard to argue with.

    BD
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  5. Well said BD.
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  6. Grow a sack. Use your name when you post, Cody!
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  7. Dwight JurgensJun 14, 2009 02:11 AM
    Cody: I personally think you're being too nice to the snarky, arrogant Mr. Henry, but we're different, you and me.

    Mr. Henry: From the statement you posted, I, too, took from it that you were painting all cops with the same broad brush. I sure as hell didn't get, "... there's a reason not to trust the police when they are at your home ..." as you fantacized in your comment.

    By the way ... what IS the reason not to trust the police when they are at your home? I trust them when they are at mine, and I'm no worse off for it. Please explain.

    But what really bothered me in your arrgogant response was the alleged follower's comment -- right or wrong, I think you're fibbing about that; I think YOU wrote it -- that Cody is "... practically incoherent and works for a shitty web design co in Hutch."

    Cody has his own writing style, which is to say he doesn't attempt to be a writer. He says things straight, and there's not a pretentious bone in the man's body.

    He would never, for example, misuse the word "incoherent" as you or your alleged "followers" did. If you can't understand what Cody is saying when he writes something, then your problem is not simply your obvious inability to write clearly in your feelings toward cops, but moreso your sad lack of reading-comprhension skills.

    And as to the "shitty web design company in Hutch" ... you -- excuse me ... your, ahem, [i]follower[/] -- are just showing your ignorance. Logic Maze is one of the most authentic small business success stories to come out of Hutch in years, and your suggestion otherwise shows you really don't know what you're talking about and choose to muddy the waters with unsupportable criticism.

    And you'll never convince me anyone pays you $225 an hour for "consultation" af ANY sort, let alone for sharing your your half-baked thoughts on cops and firefighters.

    You don't want Cody or me or anyone else misineterpreting your remarks?

    Here's my (FREE!) consultation: write more clearly, Putz.

    You're welcome.
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  8. Labeling a group of people as those to be feared is at the heart and soul of the Holocaust.

    If we want to talk about "great evils" to watch against, we should, IMHO, always begin at the source.

    Acknowledging individuality is a vital component of huamns seeing others as human and is at the core level of preventing great evils, like the Holocaust from taking on new form time and time again.

    Transferring the anti-semitic's distrust of Jews to distrust of police officers is just more of the same.

    Cody's right. He already said it. It's not progressive to label and distrust groups of people.

    It is just more of the same. History repeating itself.
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